Legislature(2005 - 2006)CAPITOL 106

02/27/2006 05:00 PM House ECONOMIC DEV., TRADE, AND TOURISM


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05:09:40 PM Presentation: Commercial Diplomacy
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Presentation by Harry Kopp, Former
Foreign Service Officer, Consultant on
International Trade
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
 HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, INTERNATIONAL                                                               
                       TRADE AND TOURISM                                                                                      
                       February 27, 2006                                                                                        
                           5:09 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Mark Neuman, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Jay Ramras, Co-Chair                                                                                             
Representative John Coghill                                                                                                     
Representative Bob Lynn                                                                                                         
Representative Nancy Dahlstrom                                                                                                  
Representative Harry Crawford                                                                                                   
Representative Beth Kerttula                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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Representative Ethan Berkowitz                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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PRESENTATION:  COMMERCIAL DIPLOMACY                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Harry W. Kopp                                                                                                                   
Washington, D.C.                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented information regarding commercial                                                                 
diplomacy.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  MARK  NEUMAN  called the  House  Special  Committee  on                                                             
Economic Development, International Trade  and Tourism meeting to                                                               
order   at  5:09:26   PM.     Representatives  Neuman,   Coghill,                                                             
Dahlstrom,  and  Kerttula were  present  at  the call  to  order.                                                               
Representatives Ramras, Lynn, and Crawford arrived as the                                                                       
meeting was in progress.  Representative Berkowitz was also in                                                                  
attendance.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION:  COMMERCIAL DIPLOMACY                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
5:09:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR NEUMAN announced that the only order of business would                                                                 
be a presentation on commercial diplomacy.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:10:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HARRY W. KOPP paraphrased his written testimony, which read as                                                                  
follows [original punctuation provided with some formatting                                                                     
changes]:                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     The two  goals of American foreign  policy are security                                                                    
     and prosperity.   They are fundamental  purposes of our                                                                    
     government,  identified in  the first  sentence of  the                                                                    
     Constitution.    Diplomacy  is  one  of  the  tools  of                                                                    
     foreign  policy the  government uses  to achieve  those                                                                    
     goals.   Most people, when they  think about diplomacy,                                                                    
     think about  what Condoleezza Rice does,  flying around                                                                    
     the around world visiting mostly  bad people and giving                                                                    
     them  a few  good  reasons to  improve their  behavior.                                                                    
     The  purpose of  that  kind of  diplomacy is  security.                                                                    
     Commercial diplomacy  gets less attention.   Commercial                                                                    
     diplomacy involves  negotiations on  trade, investment,                                                                    
     finance,  patent   and  trademark   protection,  export                                                                    
     promotion, and the  like.  It's diplomacy  that aims at                                                                    
     prosperity.   One question  I want  to deal  with right                                                                    
     away  is whether  the government  should be  doing this                                                                    
     stuff at all.  Some of  you may remember that there was                                                                    
     a move in  Congress not so long  ago, around 1995-1996,                                                                    
     to close down the U.S.  Department of Commerce and stop                                                                    
     funding  the   Export-Import  Bank  and   the  Overseas                                                                    
     Private  Investment  Corporation.    Support  for  U.S.                                                                    
     trade  was attacked  as corporate  welfare.   Along the                                                                    
     same lines, there  were calls for the  United States to                                                                    
     pull out of  the World Trade Organization,  which was -                                                                    
     and often still  is - denounced as a tool  of large and                                                                    
     evil  corporations.   I want  to make  the case  for an                                                                    
     active commercial  diplomacy.   First of all,  trade is                                                                    
     good for  prosperity, and also  for peace.   Commercial                                                                    
     diplomacy has  produced a lot of  prosperity around the                                                                    
     world.   The trading  system put  in place  after World                                                                    
     War II has worked as  planned.  Since 1950, world trade                                                                    
     is up  over 20  times, the world's  output has  risen 8                                                                    
     times, and  world population has  grown only  about 2.5                                                                    
     times.    Trade has  made  people  richer.   Of  course                                                                    
     wealth is  not evenly  distributed.  Neither  is peace.                                                                    
     The  countries   that  are   most  involved   with  the                                                                    
     international  trading system  are  the countries  that                                                                    
     are best off  and growing most rapidly.   They are also                                                                    
     generally  the most  peaceful  places.   The  countries                                                                    
     that are  least engaged with the  international trading                                                                    
     system  include    the most  dangerous  places  in  the                                                                    
     world,  and  some of  the  poorest.   The  World  Trade                                                                    
     Organization has  149 members.   But look at  who isn't                                                                    
     there:  Afghanistan,   Belarus,  Bosnia,   Iran,  Iraq,                                                                    
     Lebanon,  Laos, Liberia,  North Korea,  Somalia, Syria,                                                                    
     and Yemen.   It's the  roll call  from Hell.   In other                                                                    
     words,  as the  saying  goes, when  goods and  services                                                                    
     cross borders, armies don't.   Tom Friedman, who writes                                                                    
     about  foreign   affairs  for   the  New   York  Times,                                                                    
     expressed  the  same  idea  a few  years  ago  when  he                                                                    
     pointed  out that  no two  countries with  a McDonald's                                                                    
     restaurant have ever gone to war.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
5:15:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. KOPP continued his testimony:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     So a more  peaceful and prosperous world  is one reason                                                                    
     why   the   government   should  work   at   commercial                                                                    
     diplomacy.   Here's another:  U.S. success  in business                                                                    
     is a  cause, maybe  the most  important cause,  of U.S.                                                                    
     global leadership.   The United  States is  the world's                                                                    
     largest  exporter, the  world's  largest importer,  and                                                                    
     the   world's  principal   source   of  and   principal                                                                    
     destination  of capital  for investment.    We are  the                                                                    
     engine of  the world's  economy.   The numbers  tell us                                                                    
     that the  United States is  one of the few  really good                                                                    
     places  in   the  world  to  do   business:  it's  most                                                                    
     lucrative place in which to  sell, the most reliable in                                                                    
     which  to buy,  and the  safest in  which to  invest or                                                                    
     raise  capital.   More than  military power,  it's this                                                                    
     strength  in business  that makes  the United  States a                                                                    
     leader, because  it's our business strength  that other                                                                    
     people want to follow.   People in other countries look                                                                    
     at U.S. prosperity  and ask: How did that  happen?  How                                                                    
     did the  Americans get where  they are, and how  can we                                                                    
     get  there  too?   They  know  that  American  business                                                                    
     success  owes a  lot to  the business  climate and  the                                                                    
     business    infrastructure:   our    educated,   mobile                                                                    
     workforce, our  willingness to  innovate and  to accept                                                                    
     technological  change, our  reliance  on contracts  and                                                                    
     laws.   The reliance  on contracts  and laws  is really                                                                    
     important.   We all tell  lawyer jokes, but in  the end                                                                    
     we're  a  much  stronger   country  because  we  settle                                                                    
     disputes in  court, and when  a judge issues  an order,                                                                    
     we  obey.   There are  a  lot of  countries where  that                                                                    
     doesn't happen - Russia, China,  most of the developing                                                                    
     world.  The  legal system here is a  very valuable part                                                                    
     of the  business infrastructure.  Other  countries want                                                                    
     to copy it,  not the laws necessarily,  but the respect                                                                    
     for laws.   It part of American  leadership by example.                                                                    
     Our business strength also  gives us leadership through                                                                    
     economic  power.   The  United States  was  28% of  the                                                                    
     world economy in 2005, more  than the share of the next                                                                    
     four countries combined.   That's an amazing statistic,                                                                    
     but it's nothing  new.  The US has  dominated the world                                                                    
     economy for over a hundred  years.  This economic power                                                                    
     translates  into military  strength.    US spending  on                                                                    
     defense is almost equal to  the defense spending of the                                                                    
     rest of the world.   Yet spending on defense represents                                                                    
     a small share, about 4.2%,   of the US economy, a lower                                                                    
     share  than in  years past.    So a  strong economy  is                                                                    
     essential  to  security  as   well  as  to  prosperity.                                                                    
     That's another  reason why the  government needs  to be                                                                    
     involved   in   commercial   diplomacy.      Commercial                                                                    
     diplomacy comes  in many flavors,  like Baskin-Robbins.                                                                    
     I'm going to talk  first about commercial negotiations,                                                                    
     which we  can divide  into macro and  micro.   Macro is                                                                    
     the  big  stuff,   negotiations  on  tariffs,  patents,                                                                    
     standards, subsidies,  and so  forth - rules  that have                                                                    
     general  application.     These   negotiations  usually                                                                    
     involve  striking   a  balance  among   many  competing                                                                    
     interests.   Micro is  the small  stuff, or  really the                                                                    
     specific stuff, dealing  with specific transactions and                                                                    
     specific  companies  -  will   China  buy  planes  from                                                                    
     Boeing, or from Airbus?   Will Kazakhstan bring in U.S.                                                                    
     or  Russian  companies  to develop  its  oil  and  gas?                                                                    
     Macro  diplomacy requires  give and  take, a  series of                                                                    
     compromises.  Micro often has just winners and losers.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
5:21:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. KOPP continued his testimony:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Macro diplomacy belongs almost  entirely to the federal                                                                    
     government.  Only the  federal government can negotiate                                                                    
     trade  and investment  rules on  behalf  of the  United                                                                    
     States.   Most macro diplomacy  is handled by  the U.S.                                                                    
     Trade  Representative,  with   technical  support  from                                                                    
     other agencies, especially  the departments of commerce                                                                    
     and  agriculture,   and  oversight  by   the  Congress,                                                                    
     especially the  Ways and Means  Committee in  the House                                                                    
     and the Finance Committee in  the Senate.  I don't want                                                                    
     to  suggest   that  states  have   no  role   in  macro                                                                    
     diplomacy.   They do.   But the state's role  is mostly                                                                    
     to  deal  with the  federal  government,  not with  the                                                                    
     foreigners.   So if your  constituents come to  you and                                                                    
     say  -  I'm making  up  this  example -  "we're  having                                                                    
     trouble exporting seafood products  to Korea because of                                                                    
     Korean health  regulations," you want to  make sure the                                                                    
     federal government  takes this up with  the Koreans and                                                                    
     makes it an important issue.   How do you do this?  You                                                                    
     have to  show the  executive branch that  the interests                                                                    
     of  your  constituents  line up  with  a  broad  public                                                                    
     purpose.  That's critical.   For many good reasons, the                                                                    
     federal government  wants to  be consistent  around the                                                                    
     world  in the  way it  approaches trade  issues, so  it                                                                    
     wants always to have a  basic principle at the heart of                                                                    
     its argument  in any  particular case.   In  this case,                                                                    
     the  basic principle,  which is  part of  international                                                                    
     agreements that  Korea and the United  States have both                                                                    
     signed,  is  that  health regulations  affecting  trade                                                                    
     should  be  based  on science.    They  should  protect                                                                    
     public health, they can't be  designed just to keep out                                                                    
     foreign products.   Maybe in this  example about Korean                                                                    
     health regulations your constituents  can show that the                                                                    
     regulations are  not based  on sound  science.   So you                                                                    
     want  to   advise  your   constituents  to   put  their                                                                    
     complaint together in this way,  and maybe you can help                                                                    
     them  do it.   Then  you and  they can  go directly  to                                                                    
     federal officials,  in this case  in the office  of the                                                                    
     U.S.  Trade  Representative.   Federal  officials  will                                                                    
     almost  always respond  quickly and  favorably if  they                                                                    
     are given what they need to  go to work.  Of course you                                                                    
     can   also   look   for   support   from   the   Alaska                                                                    
     congressional   delegation,  which   is   one  of   the                                                                    
     strongest and most able in Washington.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
5:24:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. KOPP continued his testimony:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Or another example.   Let's say that  the government of                                                                    
     Japan  gives big  subsidies to  its commercial  fishing                                                                    
     fleet,  subsidies  that  put  Alaskan  fishermen  at  a                                                                    
     competitive disadvantage.   If the Japanese  were using                                                                    
     subsidies to sell  fish below cost in  the U.S. market,                                                                    
     the  U.S. could  put  extra tariffs  on the  subsidized                                                                    
     fish  to offset  the  subsidies.   But  let's say  that                                                                    
     Japanese subsidies  hurt Alaskan fishermen not  so much                                                                    
     in  the  United States,  as  in  Japan or  other  Asian                                                                    
     markets.   The  basic  principles  and the  appropriate                                                                    
     remedies aren't  as clear in  this case.  But  U.S. law                                                                    
     provides  a way  for private  parties, like  the Alaska                                                                    
     fishing  industry, to  petition the  U.S. government  -                                                                    
     the U.S.  Trade Representative,  to be  exact -  to act                                                                    
     against unfair  foreign trade practices, even  if there                                                                    
     is no  international agreement that clearly  covers the                                                                    
     situation.   In fact the Alaska  state government could                                                                    
     file the  petition on behalf  of the  fishing industry,                                                                    
     so long  as a substantial  percent of the industry  - I                                                                    
     believe it's 80% - supports  the action.  Engagement by                                                                    
     the  state  government  would  increase  the  political                                                                    
     weight behind  the petition  and increase  the pressure                                                                    
     on USTR  to take  strong action.   The state  also gets                                                                    
     involved with macro diplomacy  when state, not federal,                                                                    
     laws  and  regulations are  at  issue.   I'll  make  up                                                                    
     another example.   Let's say  the state  legislature is                                                                    
     considering  a  bill  to  increase  user  fees  at  the                                                                    
     Anchorage airport,  with revenue earmarked  for airport                                                                    
     improvements.   No  doubt you  will  hear from  Federal                                                                    
     Express,  both on  the record  in public  testimony and                                                                    
     off  the record  in  private communications.   But  you                                                                    
     might  not hear  much, especially  on the  record, from                                                                    
     foreign  shippers and  carriers who  will be  affected,                                                                    
     unless you ask  them to comment.  You might  want to do                                                                    
     that -  invite foreign  companies to  submit statements                                                                    
     for  the   record,  or   to  present   oral  testimony,                                                                    
     regarding  proposed  legislation   that  is  likely  to                                                                    
     affect them in  serious ways.  Whatever  happens in the                                                                    
     end,  people usually  feel better  about a  decision if                                                                    
     they've been part of the  process and have had a chance                                                                    
     to be heard.   You may also be able  to use the process                                                                    
     to build  relationships and  a reputation  for fairness                                                                    
     that  will be  helpful  in the  future.   That's  macro                                                                    
     diplomacy.      Micro   diplomacy  happens   when   the                                                                    
     government steps in between  U.S. companies and foreign                                                                    
     governments  or government-controlled  entities.   This                                                                    
     is  where  U.S.  embassies  get involved.    When  U.S.                                                                    
     private  companies  are  dealing with  foreign  private                                                                    
     companies,  of  course,  the U.S.  government  and  its                                                                    
     embassies stand  clear.   But you'd  be surprised  - or                                                                    
     maybe not  - by how  many private deals get  tangled up                                                                    
     in  some government  regulation or  requirement.   That                                                                    
     can bring the embassy into  play.  An American embassy,                                                                    
     and especially  an American ambassador,  can be  a very                                                                    
     powerful ally for American business.   For almost every                                                                    
     country in  the world,  the United  States is  the most                                                                    
     important trading  partner, the most  important market.                                                                    
     For  many  countries,  the United  States  directly  or                                                                    
     indirectly   provides  security.      Because  of   the                                                                    
     importance   of  the   United   States,  the   American                                                                    
     ambassador  generally  has  excellent  access  to  high                                                                    
     officials in the host country.   A good ambassador uses                                                                    
     this access  wisely.  He  builds trust  and confidence.                                                                    
     He  is  someone  that  officials in  the  host  country                                                                    
     listen to and  take seriously.  I should  say there are                                                                    
     some bad ambassadors out there  also.  Some are lazy or                                                                    
     self-indulgent.  They don't get  out to meet the people                                                                    
     they  ought  to  meet,  they   don't  speak  the  local                                                                    
     language or  understand the local  politics.   And some                                                                    
     follow   their  personal   views   rather  than   their                                                                    
     instructions   from   Washington,  which   makes   them                                                                    
     unreliable as  representatives of  the president.   But                                                                    
     most  ambassadors  and  embassy staffs  are  competent,                                                                    
     highly dedicated people.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
5:31:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. KOPP continued his testimony:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Just by indicating their  interest, embassies elevate a                                                                    
     commercial   issue   and   give   it   some   political                                                                    
     importance.   For  example, when  a U.S.  power company                                                                    
     bid on a  project in the United Arab  Emirates a couple                                                                    
     of  years ago,  the company  asked the  embassy to  get                                                                    
     involved.    The  company had  French  competition  and                                                                    
     wanted  to make  it harder  for the  French to  win the                                                                    
     deal  with  bribery or  kickbacks.    The U.S.  company                                                                    
     thought that  the Emirates would  be much  more careful                                                                    
     about sticking to their own  rules, which prohibit that                                                                    
     sort  of   stuff,  if  they  knew   the  United  States                                                                    
     government was watching.  The  embassy did get involved                                                                    
     -   and   stayed   involved  throughout   a   year   of                                                                    
     negotiations - and the company  won the contract.  Like                                                                    
     everyone  else,  ambassadors   and  their  staffs  work                                                                    
     better when  they are well  prepared.  The  best advice                                                                    
     to a  company working overseas  is to keep  the embassy                                                                    
     informed, so  that they  are ready to  go if  there's a                                                                    
     crisis.   And I would  always tell anyone who  is going                                                                    
     to brief  an ambassador  to tell  the whole  story, not                                                                    
     just one  side of  it.   An ambassador  going to  see a                                                                    
     foreign official  has to be  credible, and he  won't be                                                                    
     credible if  he gets sandbagged because  he didn't know                                                                    
     the  other side  of the  story.   Where U.S.  relations                                                                    
     with  a  country are  poor,  embassy  involvement in  a                                                                    
     commercial  issue may  backfire.   The host  government                                                                    
     may see  a chance to  play up to  nationalist sentiment                                                                    
     by saying  no to Uncle  Sam, in  a loud voice.   That's                                                                    
     why  some companies  don't want  to be  associated with                                                                    
     the U.S.  government.  When Argentina  defaulted on its                                                                    
     debts,   devalued  its   currency  and   imposed  price                                                                    
     controls  at  the  end of  2001,  most  U.S.  companies                                                                    
     invested in  the country came  to the U.S.  embassy for                                                                    
     help.   But some  stayed away.   One  of the  big grain                                                                    
     traders told  me: "We decided  we had  better relations                                                                    
     with  Argentina than  the U.S.  government  did, so  we                                                                    
     handled  our  problems ourselves.    We  think we  were                                                                    
     better off that way."   That's a judgment call, and the                                                                    
     grain trader may have been  right.  The embassy and the                                                                    
     U.S.   government   have   leaned  on   the   Argentine                                                                    
     government for the  past four year, so  far with little                                                                    
     to show for the effort.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
5:35:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. KOPP continued his testimony:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Can a  state government  get involved  in this  kind of                                                                    
     micro diplomacy, and if it can,  should it?  The key to                                                                    
     micro  diplomacy  is  leverage.    Generally  it's  the                                                                    
     federal government  that has the leverage  to negotiate                                                                    
     with   foreign  governments,   and  only   the  federal                                                                    
     government  has  the view  across  the  whole range  of                                                                    
     bilateral  relations  to reach  a  judgment  on how  to                                                                    
     handle any particular case.   Of course state officials                                                                    
     can steer businesses with problems  to the right people                                                                    
     in the federal  government - to a U.S.  embassy, to the                                                                    
     Departments of  State, or Commerce, or  Agriculture, as                                                                    
     the case  requires.  But  frankly, most  businesses can                                                                    
     figure out for  themselves where they need to  go.  The                                                                    
     state government only  adds value if it  can provide an                                                                    
     introduction -  if there  is a  state official  who has                                                                    
     developed  personal relationships  with people  in U.S.                                                                    
     embassies and  in the Washington agencies  and is known                                                                    
     and  trusted  by  them.   Alaska  is  such  an  export-                                                                    
     oriented  state that  you may  already have  someone on                                                                    
     the payroll who  fits that description.   If not, maybe                                                                    
     you should.   State governments  have a larger  role in                                                                    
     two areas,  promotion of exports and  attracting inward                                                                    
     investment.   Alaska is  especially well  positioned to                                                                    
     make  export promotion  a state  function, because  the                                                                    
     range  of goods  and services  available for  export is                                                                    
     not  too  large,  and  because   some  them  -  tourism                                                                    
     obviously,  but I  would guess  also seafood  and maybe                                                                    
     some wood  products - can  be Alaska branded.   I don't                                                                    
     have to  tell you  about export  promotion.   The state                                                                    
     knows all about trade missions  and trade fairs and the                                                                    
     other  standard techniques.   I  would  offer only  one                                                                    
     piece of  advice.  I think  it's a good idea  to charge                                                                    
     companies to  take part in  state-sponsored promotional                                                                    
     events, maybe on a one-for-one  matching basis.  It's a                                                                    
     good  idea  because  the   companies  are  the  biggest                                                                    
     beneficiaries, so fairness indicates  they should pay a                                                                    
     higher share of  the cost.  But more  important, if the                                                                    
     fees  are high  enough, companies  will make  sure they                                                                    
     get  their money's  worth.   They will  set a  standard                                                                    
     that the  government has  to meet,  and they  will know                                                                    
     how to measure success.   Programs that don't produce a                                                                    
     return won't  find support, and  the ones that  do work                                                                    
     will be  heavily subscribed.  The  government can't get                                                                    
     that  kind of  feedback in  any other  way.   Promoting                                                                    
     inward  foreign  investment   is  controversial.    The                                                                    
     federal government  doesn't do it  at all.   One reason                                                                    
     is  that the  government  doesn't want  to do  anything                                                                    
     that  would favor  a foreign  investor over  a domestic                                                                    
     investor.    Another  is that  the  federal  government                                                                    
     doesn't  want  to  favor  one   state  or  region  over                                                                    
     another.    So  federal  policy tries  to  be  strictly                                                                    
     neutral.  I  don't know what Alaska  does about foreign                                                                    
     investment, but I'll bet you  follow the same policy of                                                                    
     neutrality between foreign  and domestic investors that                                                                    
     the federal  government does.  Probably  when the state                                                                    
     goes  out promoting  investment  in  Alaska, you're  at                                                                    
     least as  eager to go  after investors in the  lower 48                                                                    
     as in the rest of the  world.  The best thing the state                                                                    
     can do  to attract  foreign investment  is to  create a                                                                    
     business  climate  that   is  friendly  to  investment,                                                                    
     domestic or  foreign.  I  mentioned near  the beginning                                                                    
     of  this  talk that  the  United  States attracts  more                                                                    
     foreign   investment  -   I  mean   direct  investment,                                                                    
     ownership  of businesses,  not  just foreigners  buying                                                                    
     stocks  and bonds  - than  any other  country.   That's                                                                    
     because  of the  business  climate here,  the blend  of                                                                    
     good  return and  low risk.    Investment promotion  is                                                                    
     education,  making  the  opportunities  here  known  to                                                                    
     investors  who otherwise  wouldn't think  about Alaska,                                                                    
     whether those investors are in Taipei or New York.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
5:41:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. KOPP concluded his testimony:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     One way  to get the  attention of foreign  investors is                                                                    
     to put  Alaska on  the itinerary of  touring diplomats,                                                                    
     including   American   ambassadors  to   countries   of                                                                    
     interest, and  ambassadors from those countries  to the                                                                    
     United  States.    You  can   show  the  diplomats  the                                                                    
     grandeur and  beauty of the  state and also  teach them                                                                    
     something -  I'll bet they  know very little  about the                                                                    
     range or scale of  opportunities or the legal framework                                                                    
     for resource  development.  Diplomats will  repeat your                                                                    
     message  to  people  that   count,  they'll  get  press                                                                    
     attention overseas,  they are good multipliers  of your                                                                    
     message that way.   There are a  few organizations that                                                                    
     have put tours by diplomats  together, using a blend of                                                                    
     public and private funds, and  you might be able to tap                                                                    
     into  their experience.   Representative  Coghill asked                                                                    
     me to talk  about what the states can  do in diplomacy,                                                                    
     on  their  own  or  by making  the  country's  national                                                                    
     resources work  for them.  I  hope I've come up  with a                                                                    
     few ideas, but I'm sure  I haven't exhausted the topic.                                                                    
     I'd be happy to take questions.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:43:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CRAWFORD acknowledged  the argument regarding free                                                               
trade,  fair trade,  and  balanced  trade.   He  said that  trade                                                               
becomes problematic when there are  large imbalances.  He relayed                                                               
the idea  of the  U.S. unilaterally ending  its tariff  and quota                                                               
system  and replacing  it with  certificates  for purchases  from                                                               
other countries.   The  U.S. would then  issue a  tradable credit                                                               
that could  be sold to  countries with a  large imbalance.   As a                                                               
result, countries  would only  be able to  export goods  they had                                                               
certificates for  to the  U.S.   He surmised  that it  would give                                                               
smaller  countries/economies more  money to  buy more  goods from                                                               
the U.S.  In addition, it  would make the crude from Saudi Arabia                                                               
or the manufactured goods from  China or Japan more expensive and                                                               
have more of a leveling effect.   He asked, "What would you think                                                               
about a leveling effect like that in world trade?"                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KOPP surmised  that Representative  Crawford was  suggesting                                                               
raising prices  to countries that currently  have trade surpluses                                                               
with  the U.S.  and  somehow lowering  prices  for certain  other                                                               
countries.   He continued that  it's a way  to make the  dollar a                                                               
lot less  fungible than it is  now and characterized the  idea as                                                               
terrible.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CRAWFORD  stated  that   the  U.S.  exports  $1.1                                                               
trillion and  imports $1.8  trillion and that  there is  a really                                                               
large imbalance,  which tends to  "foul up" the currency.   Small                                                               
countries/economies purchase  more goods from the  U.S. than they                                                               
sell to  the U.S.  He  suggested that the U.S.  issue these small                                                               
countries/economies a  certificate that they could  sell to other                                                               
countries/economies in  order that  they too  export manufactured                                                               
goods to the U.S.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
5:47:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. KOPP  surmised that  instead of  selling products  for money,                                                               
the U.S.  would introduce  a new  currency called  a certificate.                                                               
The  U.S.  would provide  those  certificates  to countries  with                                                               
which  it has  a trade  deficit  and those  countries could  sell                                                               
their  certificates to  countries that  are in  the surplus.   He                                                               
asked,  "Why will  those countries  that have  a surplus  with us                                                               
want to buy them?"                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CRAWFORD  responded that those  countries wouldn't                                                               
be able  to export their  goods and  services to the  U.S. unless                                                               
they had a certificate.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. KOPP surmised that the  benefit from the certificate would go                                                               
to the  small country, or  the country  in deficit, not  the U.S.                                                               
He  said that  if the  U.S. wants  those countries  to have  more                                                               
money,  why doesn't  it just  give  them money  instead of  going                                                               
through a complicated scheme which would screw up U.S. trade.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CRAWFORD  responded  that the  U.S.  wants  those                                                               
countries to buy more goods from  the U.S. and it doesn't want to                                                               
just hand the  money to them.  He explained  that this would give                                                               
those countries more  money with which they would be  able to buy                                                               
more goods and services from the U.S.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. KOPP  surmised that  if a scheme  like that  were introduced,                                                               
the U.S.  would export and import  less and the net  result would                                                               
be less trade.  He said  that he suspects that these certificates                                                               
would  turn  out  to  be  not quite  saleable.    He  noted  that                                                               
countries that  have deficits with  the U.S.  have a lot  less in                                                               
deficit than  countries that  have surpluses  with the  U.S. have                                                               
surplus.   He remarked  that he's  real skeptical  that something                                                               
that substitutes  certificates for  dollars and "mucks  about" in                                                               
trade this way would have a positive result.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
5:50:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR NEUMAN,  in regard to  investing in a  foreign industry,                                                               
asked, "Is  there any  specific or  recommended protocol  that we                                                               
should follow besides just going to our ambassadors?"                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KOPP replied  that  it's  always a  good  idea  to keep  the                                                               
Department  of  State  informed, specifically  the  desk  officer                                                               
who's  principally in  charge of  bilateral relations  with every                                                               
country.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
5:52:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR NEUMAN relayed that a  group of foreigners would like to                                                               
build a small nuclear plant in an Alaska village.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. KOPP  replied that  it would  be a good  idea for  someone to                                                               
call the  Office of Japanese  Affairs in the Department  of State                                                               
and  inform them  of a  Japanese delegation  coming to  Alaska to                                                               
discuss building a nuclear plant.   He noted that the office will                                                               
share the  information it deems necessary  as well as be  able to                                                               
react earlier and more wisely.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
5:54:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DAHLSTROM referred  to  page  51 and  identifying                                                               
underused assets.   In regard  to security and  securing borders,                                                               
she requested  that Mr.  Kopp comment on  the port  situation and                                                               
potential contracts.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.   KOPP,  in   regard  to   the  Dubai   ports,  relayed   his                                                               
understanding that the  Dubai Ports World has agreed  to buy P&O,                                                               
which  is a  British firm.   Some  of the  assets of  P&O include                                                               
contracts to operate terminals in  five or six U.S. ports, mostly                                                               
on the  East coast.   He  remarked that  Dubai Ports  World would                                                               
take over  the operation of these  terminals from P&O.   The role                                                               
of  a terminal  operator is  to  bring a  ship in,  unload it  or                                                               
arrange to  have it unloaded and  loaded, and send it  out again.                                                               
The  terminal  operator  owns the  dock,  cranes,  and  container                                                               
transport  facilities,  but  doesn't  have anything  to  do  with                                                               
security.   The  U.S. Coast  Guard  and U.S.  Customs and  Border                                                               
Protection,  in  most cases,  will  have  checked that  container                                                               
before it left the foreign port.   They're notified by the master                                                               
of the vessel  before the ship enters U.S. waters.   They oversee                                                               
the unloading of the vessel after  it docks in the U.S. and check                                                               
the  seals.   He  remarked  that the  owner  of  the terminal  is                                                               
irrelevant.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
5:59:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COGHILL  discussed the  importance of  an educated                                                               
and   extremely  productive   workforce,  welcoming   innovation,                                                               
transparent rules, and open borders.   He asked, "Can you give me                                                               
a idea  of some of the  things that have worked  well, maybe that                                                               
haven't worked well, as far as that being an asset?"                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. KOPP explained  that his list is derived  from what investors                                                               
in the U.S. say they find  attractive about the market.  He noted                                                               
that output per worker in the  U.S. is very high and growing very                                                               
rapidly.  The  educated workforce in the U.S.  is intelligent and                                                               
has the  necessary technological  infrastructure.   He emphasized                                                               
the importance of  transparency in laws and good  regulation.  In                                                               
further  response to  Representative Coghill,  he clarified  that                                                               
diplomats are only one tool that  can be utilized.  He added that                                                               
one also needs  to work with businesses as well  as investors who                                                               
buy  and sell  goods,  services, and  assets.   He  characterized                                                               
diplomats as very useful "go-betweens."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
6:06:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN  asked, "How do we  safeguard national United                                                               
States defense interests if we  have foreign companies, which may                                                               
or may not  be owned by the foreign state,  making critical parts                                                               
that have a potential military application?"                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KOPP   answered,  "We  shouldn't   put  ourselves   in  that                                                               
position."  He added that  the U.S. has critical components which                                                               
are part of a supply chain that  is at severe risk of a political                                                               
event overseas.   In further response to  Representative Lynn, he                                                               
explained that the reason the Dubai  ports was examined at all by                                                               
the  Council  on  Foreign  Investment in  the  United  States  is                                                               
because  of the  Exxon Florio  amendment that  was passed  in the                                                               
late 1980s,  which exactly  goes to  that kind of  an issue.   It                                                               
deals with investments  in foreign purchases of  U.S. assets that                                                               
may pose  as a security question.   He added that  there's also a                                                               
provision  of  trade law,  called  Section  232 that  allows  the                                                               
federal government  to inhibit  or block  the import  of products                                                               
that would compete with U.S.  products that are critical military                                                               
components.  This provision of trade  law was created to keep out                                                               
imports and  protect the  American industry.   He  concluded that                                                               
there are a  number of provisions that allow needed  action to be                                                               
taken to protect U.S. supply chains.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
6:11:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Special  Committee on  Economic Development,  International Trade                                                               
and Tourism meeting was adjourned at 6:11 p.m.                                                                                  

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